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Steel Tigeress Gallente Steel-Wolfs	Posted - 2008.07.02 11:48:00 - [1] I see someone not getting re-elected if they hold new elections.
Steel Tigeress Gallente Steel-Wolfs	Posted - 2008.07.03 03:08:00 - [2] Originally by: Lucai BUT any corp in eve can wardec us and attack us whereever they want in empire. The fact that FW corps have to worry about the Navy in some regions is their choosing. So these corps can leave FW for a few days if necessary, hire mercenaries, whatever, and hit us wherever they want. Thats not exactly a "safe zone". If you choose to attack a FW corp, that is YOUR choosing, and you should pay the price of being at war with their NPCs. This reminds me sooooo much of the old Privateer debates right befor they got nurfed to he** and back... they screamed "We arnt abusing anything!" All the way up untill the bitter end. I would have just hopped that somone elected to be a CSM would have the balls to be the bigger man and realize they are guilty of exactly what they are accusing others of...
Steel Tigeress Gallente Steel-Wolfs	Posted - 2008.07.03 18:34:00 - [3] Originally by: Jade Constantine You really aren't understanding this. Faction War is not broken. But it does need some additional functions. Alliance corporations need the ability to join. I think it would be a good thing for militia corps to be able to buy-in to 3rd party wardecs against corps in that same militia. The problem is while you sit there crying "exploit" "abuser" "broken" you aren't helping the discussion in the slightest. You are overreacting and spreading crazy rumors because you have been wardecced. Thats the bottom line Skyy, you are behaving precisely like every hisec whiner since the beginning of time has reacted to being the subject of an empire war with the additional sting that this time you are in an corporation that willingly signed up for a thing called FACTION WARFARE . Why on earth you believe you should have more protection against wardecs than a 2 day old mining corp should is something thats quite beyond sensible analysis. Funny that your are supporting the idea in this thread that only has 15 votes of support: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=812583 and not the idea in this thread that has over 200-300 votes of support: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=792898 Originally by: Jade Chair of the CSM means I conduct meetings of the CSM and ensure ISSUEs get heard and debated and voted on. Unless that vote was for your removal, the day that vote was asked to be brought up suddenly "Administrative issues must be discussed on the forums for 7 days befor blah blah blah..... Fact of the matter is, until it was time for the vote for your removal, CSM's , including you, brought up and voted on administrative issues all the time. Now when its a vote for your removal, the policy gets changed cause you said so. Originally by: Jade And I have had a very productive debate with some of the your FW members and an ISSUE thread has come from this that I'll be supporting to the CSM discussion after the 7 days of discussion have passed. Reality is Skyy you have gotten too close the matter because you personally are very upset that your corporation has been wardecced. Its natural to be upset if you really have no confidence in your fighting ability in game of course - but this is Eve, hire mercs, fight back, find friends, or even surrender or quit your corp. These are you options, but don't come crying "nerf wardecs" and expect to find much sympathy from a CSM delegate who was elected on the vote of small unit pvp'ers from across the server. Funny, the issue thread you talk about is the one I linked above that only has 15 people agreeing with it, while the 200-300 that want you removed get ignored and laughed at by you. Its strange Irony that you say Skyy has gotten too close to an issue to be objective in its debate. Pot meet kettle. Dont let the door hit you on your way....oh nevermind I hope it does.
Steel Tigeress Gallente Steel-Wolfs	Posted - 2008.07.03 18:53:00 - [4] Edited by: Steel Tigeress on 03/07/2008 18:53:15 Originally by: Jade Constantine 15 meaningful posts are worth more than 200 moronic nonsense posts. According to who? Originally by: Jade Constantine Part of our role in the CSM is to sort between the useful comment and the useless comment. Where is that power given too you? I dont recall seeing anything that says you can ignore and bypass issures you dont like.. Originally by: Jade Constantine Or you could keep crying because you've been war-decced. There's always that. Funny thing is, I'm not involved in FW at all, on either of my accounts in any way. I'm just objuective enough that when I see a problem I can look at it from both sides of the issue, unlike certain Chair CSM's in this thread.
Steel Tigeress Gallente Steel-Wolfs	Posted - 2008.07.03 19:13:00 - [5] Originally by: Jade Constantine I have full authority to ignore and bypass issues I'm not convinced by. Where is this power given to you. From all I've seen this is somthing that you have just contrived on your own. Show me in your charter where it says the chair can change policies to avoid issues it dissagree's with.
Steel Tigeress Gallente Steel-Wolfs	Posted - 2008.07.03 19:31:00 - [6] Originally by: Jade Constantine I think you are confusing yourself now. I have absolutely no obligation to raise an issue I don't agree with. Is that easier to understand? No CSM delegate can be forced to raise an issue they don't agree with. And the only way an issue that no delegate agrees with is getting onto the agenda is with 25% of the voting electorate in favour. FALSE!!! This issue was going to be raised by the Goons at the meeting! That is until you changed policy and said he could not raise the issue untill it had 7 days discussion on these forums. Which I'll point out up untill this time, no other administrative issue had been forced to do this. Even admin issues raised by you could just be brought up and voted on. But now that its the issue of your removal, its got to wait 7 days, be discussed, be endorsed, be voted on, then its forwarded to CCP for their approval. Thats alot of added things that somthing has to go through because you dont like it. Grow a pair and get out.
Steel Tigeress Gallente Steel-Wolfs	Posted - 2008.07.03 20:59:00 - [7] Originally by: AltyNr1 of course militia corps need to be wardeccable. this is eve online for anyone that missed it. every noob that gets into his first playercorp needs to deal with it and so will you. as for deccin whole militias tbh i can see some problems with that. with the privateer nerf it seems apparent that ccp doesn't want wardecs to enable people to just go and have a huge number of random targets in hisec for little cost. in a way deccing a militia would enable you to do exactly that - have thousands of random war targets for just a single wardec. moreover you wouldn't have to deal with enemy navys. my proposal would go along the lines of: 1.make militia corps deccable with normal rules applied (i.e. no faction navy coming after you) just like we have it now. 2.make militias deccable. basically this would be comparable to having every single corp of the militia wardecced but with a key difference: you are now considered an enemy of the state/empire/federation/republic whatever and thus enemy faction navy will respond to you just as they would for a corp that enlisted. additionally this wardec should be much more expensive. (1b/per week as an idea) this would allow alliances to enter the war without giving up their independance - but at a cost. they would have to pay up for the wardec quite literally but would also be deprived of the privileges that come with enlisting. (i.e. lp shop and ranks or whatever ) also due to the enemy navy chasing them around they would suffer the same penalties their target has to accept. i think that would solve most problems. but maybe not? This isnt bad, but the only thing that needs worked on more is #1, by deccing somone in a militia, you are basically giving yourself a safe haven. For example my pilots are Galente. I could war dec a Caldari corp, go to caldari space because their faction wont attack me. Then if I wanted I could retreat back to Gallente space. The Caldari corp I decc'd could not come after me. There are ways to fix it,but me personaly dont think that letting alliances into FW has anything to do with the fix. CCP disallowed it for a reason, and I think that was right. They just didnt iron out all the other bumps befor they added FW.
Steel Tigeress Gallente Steel-Wolfs	Posted - 2008.07.03 22:15:00 - [8] Originally by: AltyNr1 Originally by: Teliot Rebburcs This is simply a terrible idea. Faction Warfare corporations and/or militia should not be able to be war decced and vice versa. War deccing milita corps draws away from the Faction Warfare experience that these players are trying to indulge themselves in. wardeccing some noobs in retrievers also detracts from their mining experience. it's still happening all over empire. this is eve. period. Make it so the miner noobs cant attack the enemy in Ammar space because the ammar would shout them....then we will be talking about similar circumstances. But not untill then.

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